[SWOOSH] – My guest this week says he’s
been in every single “Star Wars” movie, but I
re-watched them all recently, and I only saw his face once. So take that for
what it’s worth. [KNOCKING] – Oh. – Anthony Daniels is here. – Where did you come from? – I came from over there. And then I went to
come to my seat. And turns out, you’re in it. So good for you. – Yeah, but– you know– – Good power move
right off the top. – I checked out the background. – Yeah. – I mean, are you jealous?
Look at this stuff. – [LAUGHS] – Do we see Carboni
material behind you? – No, but to be fair– – We see– – –once again, I don’t see
any Daniels back there either. – Hey, hey, hey. I don’t need to have my
face on camera to be famous. You know, one day, one day. Behave. – You behave. – [BUZZING] – So you wrote a book.
You’re touring around with it. – You heard.
You heard I wrote a book. – I heard. You may have mentioned
it once or twice. – I wrote a book called– should I do it in the voice? – Please. – “I Am C-3PO:
The Inside Story.” – I love it.
– I love it too. – You’ve been on tour with it. – A little tour, yeah,
talking about it. And the great thing
about that is actually– first of all, on TV
and stuff, talking to people you cannot see. But then going to a
bookshop, big bookshop, and doing a signing, and
meeting people who read books. You know, page–
have you read a book? – I have them on my phone.
– That’s what I hate. – [LAUGHS] – I so hate that. It’s like when they gave me the
script for Episode 7 and did– and it was on one
of those things. You had to swipe the pages. It doesn’t feel right. I want to feel the paper. And the great thing about a
bookshop, it smells of books. And it’s lovely. And there are a lot of books. But now there’s one more. Who’d ever have thought it. – This is the story of your
entire experience has C-3PO, right? – Yeah, that’s right. It’s about my life
around the movies. It’s kind of hung
on all 11 movies. Not just the three trilogies. Oh, no, no. I’ve worked a lot. You’ll see. And on the back,
there’s a Droid-ography that goes on for pages. And I think, did I
really do all this? You know, it’s amazing. And then there’s side issues
where I talk about the 501st, or a whole chapter about
John Williams and how amazing his music is, a
chapter about Carrie, a whole chapter about
people who forge signatures and cheat on eBay. You know, because my
signature is really, you know, quite valuable. – OK, calm down. Calm down. – Do you have, like,
an autograph, do you? – Oh, do I have–
do I have a what? – Yeah, do you– you
know, do you sign things? – Oh, an autograph that I do? – Yeah. – I do a birthday card
for my mom every year. – That’s cool.
– Yeah. – That’s so nice. – [LAUGHS]. – I really have to
speak to her, though. Because she’s– bringing kids– – She did the best she could. – Yes, she failed. – And I don’t blame
any of it on her. – Yeah, it’s– her failure
was not her problem. – You know, you set them loose. And then whatever
they do afterwards– – Yeah, look at you now. Who’d have thought. She wanted you to have
a real job, didn’t she? – You don’t have
a real job either. – [LAUGHS]
– You can’t– – Hey, look. – You get– well, but
that’s what I’m saying, is you can’t be like, well,
when I grow up, I’m going to be a golden robot for a living. It’s like, you can’t say that. That’s like a kid coming
up to you and saying, I’m going to grow
up to be a bird. You’re like, OK, kid, sure. So like, you don’t really
have a real job either. – I don’t. But it’s similar. But you know, back in the day– I note in the book– have we mentioned
I’ve written a book? – Did we get Mr. Daniels
saying that he wrote a book? Oh, great. – Just in case, I wrote a book. And in the book it
explains how I only ever wanted to be an actor. And I don’t know why. There’s no good reason for it. But I did want to be an actor. And for years, I did other
stuff, kind of pretending life was OK. And it wasn’t really. It wasn’t until I became an
actor that it got better. – I hear that a lot from
people who work on camera where it’s like, I had 100 jobs. And I was bad at all of them. And I knew that I was
bad at all of them because I was supposed
to be on camera. – Isn’t that great? – Yeah, was it kind
of like that for you? – I think so. – Yeah. – Yeah, I wasn’t
interested in anything. I didn’t put much
effort in, I think. But boy, you do have to put
effort in when you’re an actor. Because they notice it. – Well, for you, especially. I mean, this is something that
we’ve talked about before. But like, not a physically easy
thing, the thing that you do. Now the suit’s a little more
comfortable than it was. But running around in the desert
in the ’70s in this, like, clanky metal thing.
Like– – Clanky metal thing. One of the things
I say in the book– because I have written a book. – You wrote a book? – I wrote a book. And in the book, I talk
about– and I try and do it– it’s a bit of a challenge–
to explain technical things in words without– you know, no diagrams
or pictures, whatever. And one of the things that
you can see very clearly in the first movie–
and actually this is not in the book– that
one of the legs keeps catching on one of the– – Anthony Daniels stopped
himself from saying something. I’m going to take a moment
and marinate on that. – OK, yeah.
– Like, wow. – OK, OK. – I can’t believe it.
– No, it just– – No, go on.
Go on with the anecdote, please. – It comes to mind now. You can– I can see
that bits of the costume were catching on
things, which meant one leg got longer than the other. And I’m kind of hobbling
along in the desert. Because nobody worked
out that this thing here was catching on this
thing here and pushing it the wrong way.
– Right. – Now I can so see it. And indeed, now
we kind of worked out what was going wrong. In the first film, there was
only one person with his eye to the camera. You realize this? And George would say,
you know, how was that? And the cameraman
would go, it was OK. Now you’ve got big
plasma screens. Everybody can see. It doesn’t have my name here. Why is that? Can we get a graphic
of the book up on here. Can we do– put a green screen–
– Absolutely not, Anthony. Absolutely not. – I wrote a book.
It’s a ton of– – You can carry– I’ll allow you to pick up
your cardboard cut out again. Give me your poster board.
– I love this. Thank you.
– Here. – Yeah, OK.
– Here. – Do that. – You’re comfortable now? – I love that.
– Yeah. – Yeah. Are you going to write a book? I hear you’re
studying the alphabet. – I’m going to try to
write a sentence one day. – Sentence needs a
subject, object, and verb. Do you remember that? – I’m not here to learn
from you, Anthony Daniels. Nobody’s taught me
anything in all my life. – That’s entirely obvious. – And you’re not going
to be the one to do it. – Entirely obvious. Look. Can we just straighten
me up a bit there? It’s just– you’re not
good with props, are you? No, that’s good. I think that’s fine. Sorry, you were saying?
– Was I? – Yeah. Anyway, one of the
reasons to do it now– first of all, I
was asked to do it. But now, of course, we have
a little film coming up. – Yeah. – In December, just a
few– but I’m here first. My book’s out. [LAUGHTER] I do talk about Episode 9,
“The Rise of Skywalker.” But I talk about it in
a really roundabout way. – Yeah, I was going to
say, because the book came out beginning of November. – That’s correct. I was subtle, and
delicate, and sensitive. – Doubtful, knowing
you, but go on. – You’ve got to stop doing that. I wanted to talk
about it, because it’s the logical bookend
of the whole thing. – Sure. – But I wanted to talk about
it in a way that doesn’t spoil. So each time
something new came up, like the desert
planet of Pasaana, I could go back and
say, [CLICKS] we were on this strange
planet called Pasaana. – Right. – So with a computer, you
can pop these things in. So it is very up to
date, very current. – Yeah. – And very good.
– Obviously, it’s an under– – Have you bought a copy? – Yes, of course. Come on.
– I don’t believe you. – Come on.
Of course. – I think you were
waiting for free. – I mean, I’m also
waiting for a free– I’m going to get you
to sign the free one. And then I’m going to be
one of those people on eBay. [LAUGHTER] – There’s many there. – One to read, and then– – Oh yeah. – –one to, you know–
– Yeah. – –pay the bills this month.
– Uh-huh. – That’s how it works. As a matter of
fact, if I can get you to sign a couple of those
before you go, that’d be great. But I want to talk about–
obviously, leading up to “The Rise of Skywalker”
here, asking somebody who’s been involved with “Star
Wars” from the beginning what it’s like to be
involved with “Star Wars” is kind of weird. Because you don’t have an
experience of the last 40 years not being part of “Star Wars.” So it’s to be hard to quantify. – That’s– it’s a good point. I’ll deny saying–
– Did we get that? Did we get that?
– No, I deny it. We’ll edit that one out.
– Can we play that back. – No. [LAUGHTER] Let me start again. On the subject of my
view of “Star Wars,” people say, what’s it
like being in “Star Wars?” I know you were going to ask it. So I got there first. – [LAUGHS] – But it is– I realized I don’t know,
because I’m so close to it. It’s as though my nose
is right up against it. So I can’t see the whole thing. And it’s going to take
a few years to come back and come back and say, wow. But you know the thing
that’s actually helping me is the reaction of fans and so on. Because they see it objectively. They see it from a distance. So I’ve realized by
listening to them, I can see what I don’t see. I get it reflected from them. And it’s been only
in the last few years that I kind of clocked that
that’s a good thing to do. – It’s been really
wild as the new stuff has been coming out just living
in a world where everybody– I’m going through the
airport security line. People are talking
about “Star Wars.” I’m sitting at a restaurant. People are talking about– like, it’s everywhere
in a way that I think hasn’t been in quite a while. What’s it like when that
sort of, like, ebb and flow comes back?
– Well– – Because you’ve been
in it a couple of times. – It’s kind of weird. Because in the early
parts of the book, I talk about where the
first film came out. And the hoopla, everything–
the magic was huge. But I was very
little talked about. They wanted to pretend
that 3PO was 3PO. And I was not allowed
to be connected with it. So I was really kind
of pushed sideways. And I talk about my
feelings at that time and how that felt,
to be ignored so big. Because it was everywhere. As you say, at airports,
or whatever, on TV. I couldn’t get away
from something that I wasn’t allowed to be a part of. – Oh, wow. – But I had been a part of it. And I talk about it
in the early chapters. Because it was an
honestly difficult time. And I wanted the
book to be honest. It’s the rough and
the smooth, the yin, the yang, the
Abbott and Costello, the peaches and cream, the– – Keep going. Give me three more. – OK, that’s a
competition, Tony. [LAUGHTER] – But no, now, I mean– – And so I waited. – Yeah. – All this time– it’s been,
like, 43 years or something– where gradually
that process kind of moved in an upward curve. – You’re kind of the
king of Celebration now. You’re kind of the
king of fan events. – Oh, don’t you
love Celebration? – It’s you and Warwick
are the king of– – Oh yeah, totally. – –king of fan– – He just tries to
get in on my act. I’m a thespian, like
yourself, you know. I come to do a show,
and there you are. It’s, like, scary. – Warwick says the
same thing about you. [LAUGHTER]
No. – By happenstance,
one of the best films is going to be
“Rise of Skywalker,” that I have adored working on. It’s been incredibly hard work. I mean, it ain’t digging roads,
but it’s harder than it looks. You don’t need to know that. But I believe the
bits I’ve seen, knowing what
happened on the set, knowing what J.J. is
like with his huge brain, huge intellect, huge
spark, his childish joy in the whole thing– you know,
I talk about first meeting him and how he first saw Star
Wars when he was 10 years old. And he remains that
bright-eyed kid. He’s got that energy
and pizzazz about him that’s going to make
this film really the one for me to end on. People say, am I sad it’s over? No, not at all. I think it’s good when
a story comes to an end. You don’t want it to
be “Days of Our Lives” that just goes on
forever and ever. And you’re grinding it out. Let’s stop here, because
we’ve had a great time. Sorry, did you want
to say something? I’m awfully sorry.
– No, no. – Because when we have
visitors like you on the set, it’s kind of sometimes
hard for them to cope. – This is all very new to me. This– this whole thing.
– Yeah. – So I appreciate you
leading me through it. – I notice it’s
always midnight here. – Always. – It’s kind of– do you
ever go out in daylight? Are you allowed to? – I try not to.
– Right. – Because of my
delicate porcelain skin. – Yeah, yeah.
– You know. It’s bad for my complexion. – Right. – As we’re getting closer
and closer to the premiere, and it’s getting closer and
closer to it being real, 40– – Yeah. – –40-something years
is a long chunk of time, man, like, to put a bow
on, you know what I mean? – Yeah, I do. I do. It’s a slightly cruel
thought, slightly unkind. – Why? – Well, you’re trying to make
me sad in advance, aren’t you? – Well, I mean, listen, man–
– You want me to suffer. – I know you just wrote a book. And if we can get
you to just tear up– – Did you hear–
– –just get a couple– – Yeah? – I think it’d be great,
you know what I mean? For sales.
– OK, I’ll– – And also for me.
– I’ll tell you what. – You know, we got one Emmy. And if I can get another
one before the end of the– – You got an Emmy? – Yeah, do you have an Emmy? – Not yet. What’s an Emmy? – [LAUGHS] That’s the TV one. – Oh, TV, right, yes. – Oh, there we go. He turned it back around on me. [LAUGHTER] – I’ll tell you what. I’m not sad about “The
Rise of Skywalker” being the end of
the whole thing. What was a little difficult was
the last day on set, for me. It wasn’t the last
day of the movie. But that was kind of a
little hard to cope with. – Can I ask you,
just because I like to connect these dots in
my head– was your last day that trailer moment? – No. I will tell you, because
I said in the book. My last day was not that. – OK. – What’s great about the
trailer thing is J.J. cut it– because it’s from two camera
angles– exactly as I said it, as I timed it. He didn’t futz with the timing. Because you know,
editors can do that. – Yeah. – My last day, curiously, I
was with other actors on a set. And I didn’t have
a thing to say. 3PO was there, looking around. Didn’t have any lines. My last day after all
these years, nothing, nada. Isn’t that weird? – That’s so weird. – It’s really ironic. – It’s got to feel, like,
a little weird the moment. You’re like, OK, that’s it?
We’re good? – [LAUGHS] Yes.
– That’s it? It’s over?
– Yeah. – All right. – Yeah, can you do that again? – Did I do it?
– It’s not working. – You kind of–
right? – Yeah, upright. And for some reason– you don’t move all the time. You look like, you know–
– Are you sure? You look kind of like– – –the Energizer
bunny if you do that. – Yeah, OK. – And you need new
batteries, by the way. It’s so obvious. What is hard– this
is not bad, actually. Not bad.
– I told you this. When I was a kid–
when I was a kid, 3PO was my favorite
character, right? Have I ever told you this? I was very fastidious,
like, organized– – Yeah. – –slightly nervous kid. And I was absolutely
in love with 3PO. – Am I safe? – No, never. – Well, I feel
slightly overwhelmed. How old were you? – The first time I remember
seeing “Star Wars,” I was four years old. – And at that point you
showed immense taste and style if you liked 3PO. – Mm-hmm.
I just– – What happened?
– I just complimented you. Don’t do it.
Don’t do it. – OK.
I– – [LAUGHS] Don’t do it. – I am so grateful that, as
a four-year-old, you found 3PO your favorite character. – I hope you’re this convincing
with the people who line up for you for a signature. [LAUGHS] – They’re real people. They don’t sit in a
dungeon like this. [LAUGHTER] They don’t sit with
all this tut around. I mean, I do like
the shrine here. This is good. – We thought you might, yeah. “Skywalker” is soon. Book is out now. This is a very exciting month. And we’re very excited that
you made a little time to come out here and hang out with us. Anthony Daniels.
– How are you doing? – Always a pleasure. [LAUGHTER] That was my chair, though. That was– this is not a bit. I came in, and he
was in my chair. And he knows what he’s
doing when he does that. – I got this shrine here. It just is obvious. – It’s supposed to be you. And then when we’re not on
you, it’s still the shrine. It’s–
– You don’t have a– – We got a director.
– What do you mean? – They think of stuff, man. – I thought it was my show.
– I know you do. You always do. – I wondered why you
kept interrupting. It’s, like, really irritating. – You want me to run and
get you the gold blazer, and you could just stand
up and give a monologue? – Yeah, thank you for
dressing up so nicely today. Yeah.
– I knew you were coming. – Do they pay you– – So I sprayed some
of that wrinkle-free stuff on my sweater. – OK, have you got– – And I got in 10 minutes
late, just for you. – Yeah. Told me you have wrinkle-free
spray, please, give it to me. I got there first. [LAUGHTER] Is it over? When’s this over?
– It’s over. It’s over.
– It’s over? It’s so over. – The second you can bring
yourself to stop talking– – The second I
walked in, I can– – –it’s over. – It’s over. – The second you
can just lock it up. – OK, where’s your office? [SWOOSH] [BEEPING]